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    Show #823
    Original airdate: February 23, 2017
    Guests: Pearse Redmond and Tom Secker / Jim DiEugenio
    Topics: The CIA and Hollywood / Lopez-Hardway Report / Listener Letters


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  • A series, The CIA and Hollywood, Episode 8 The Quiet American (1958)
  • Pearse's website: porkinspolicyreview.com, Tom's website: spyculture.com
  • Love of movies, understanding what Intelligence agencies get out of this
  • Two seasons, 15 episodes, over 20 movies, historic, modern
  • CIA had an official liaison office, Chase Brandon, 1996
  • CIA was in Hollywood for Animal Farm (1954), 1984 (1956)
  • E. Howard Hunt purchased the rights to those stories from Orwell's widow
  • The official office, a bit more public, to offer advice and influence
  • A wide variety, Meet The Parents (2000), Meet The Fockers (2004)
  • Race To Witch Mountain (2009), Zero Dark Thirty (2014), Salt (2010)
  • The liaison office is still there, a unit within the CIA Public Affairs Office
  • 13 Hours: The Secret Soldiers of Benghazi (2016)
  • Mission Impossible - Rogue Nation (2015)
  • American Ultra (2015), Spy (2015), Argo (2012)
  • Television as well, Homeland, The Agency, 24, The Americans
  • Propaganda to make the Agency look great, look scary, even evil, but, necessary
  • The insidious part is they are creating and influencing culture
  • A clandestine organization that sells drugs and oppression around the world
  • These are domestic operations within the United States, illegal for CIA
  • Tom Clancy had a relationship with CIA, they were huge fans
  • Patriot Games (1992), Clear and Present Danger (1994)
  • Chase Brandon wrote The Recruit (2003)
  • The novel The Quiet American (1955) by Graham Greene
  • CIA understood the power of the novel on influencing people on Vietnam
  • 1943 OSS memo: The Motion Picture as a Weapon of Psychological Warfare
  • In the book, the main character, Alden Pyle, is CIA, not so in the 1958 film
  • They remove most of the politics in the film
  • In the novel, the U.S. supplies bombs to Vietnamese, in the film, to Chinese
  • Vietnamese General Trinh Minh The (TAY), carried out terrorist bombings in Saigon
  • Edward Lansdale letter to filmmaker Joseph L. Mankiewicz, 3/17/1956
  • Edward Lansdale's Cold War (2005), by Jonathan Nashel
  • In the book, Pyle is a spy, in the film, he works for some non-governmental agency
  • Pyle may be based on Lansdale
  • The bombings are connected to CIA in the novel, connected to communists in the film
  • Mankiewicz was quite taken with Lansdale, the globetrotting man of the world
  • Lansdale promised and delivered on getting the crew to film in Vietnam
  • A gorgeous looking film, filmed in Saigon and north of Saigon
  • CIA know a lot of great spy stories, CIA sponsored films are better films
  • Lansdale knew how to sell something, whether it was true or not
  • The 1952 bombing was a false flag, as is the 1958 film
  • Covering up everything that really went on, Charlie Wilson's War (2007)
  • Lansdale was selling an image of Vietnam, an idea, and tourism
  • CIA knew Vietnam was important, a need to pave the way for further involvement
  • The average American didn't know Vietnam, that the U.S. and the French were there
  • Lansdale false flags in the Philippines, Bay of Pigs, Operations Mongoose and Northwoods
  • The U.S. military may have lost in Vietnam, CIA got most of what they wanted
  • One idea in the film, this is America's duty, all over the world
  • Pyle is played by Audie Murphy, decorated WWII veteran
  • Greene was criticizing spreading democracy by the use of clandestine militias
  • The book is good spy fiction, politically subtle, dead right
  • The 1984 (1956) film is boring. they take out most of the interesting political statements
  • Animal Farm (1954) is a great animated film, they changed and manipulated the ending
  • Double-speak, the Patriot Act, Operation Enduring Freedom, you're being taken advantage of
  • Without CIA help, Hollywood turns subversive stories into boring, inoffensive stories
  • You could never forgive Tom Hanks for doing Charlie Wilson's War (2007)
  • Good talents at the service of a mistelling of history, a complete deception
  • CIA turns rogue agents into someone you can have affection for
  • The Good Shepherd (2006) , it's all justified, for the greater good
  • Daniel Ellsberg's public persona is phony, he grew up in Vietnam
  • What does the Pentagon Papers leave out? What CIA was doing
  • Jek Porkins, the first member of the Rebel Alliance to die attacking the Death Star
  • Jek Porkins V.1 V.2 V.3

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  • kennedysandking.com; Remembering Malcolm X: February 21, 2017
  • Featuring Joe Green, James W. Douglass, and Talmadge Hayer
  • Jeff Carter's review (Part 1) of Alexandra Zapruder's,
  • Twenty-Six Seconds: A Personal History of the Zapruder Film (2016)
  • Presstitute Max Holland, winner of a CIA Studies in Intelligence Award
  • Jim turned down Holland's subscription money, Len turned down McAdams
  • Charles Bartlett, Pulitzer-winning journalist and Kennedy loyalist, dies at 95
  • Douglas Valentine’s CIA vs. Donald Trump’s CIA, by Brad Schreiber
  • The good contributions of David Giglio, ourhiddenhistory.com
  • Varying opinions on G. Robert Blakey and the HSCA, Dan Hardway (BOR #822)
  • In the top five of ARRB releases, the Lopez-Hardway Report, Oswald, the CIA, and Mexico City
  • Eddie Lopez wanted the Mexico City camera operator names
  • CIA would not give them to him, he got the list from Fidel Castro
  • Jim disagrees with their information on Oswald's travels to/from Mexico City
  • To this day, we do not know how Oswald left New Orleans to get to Houston
  • Houston to Mexico City, very dicey witnesses
  • 54 years later, CIA has no picture or tape recording of Oswald
  • David Phillips lied about the automatic pulse camera being broken
  • The Mexico City Oswald speaks broken Russian and fluent Spanish
  • FBI memo to Secret Service, 'not Lee Harvey Oswald,' 11/23/63
  • Anne Goodpasture ran Phillip's Mexico City operations much of the time
  • Goodpasture HSCA 1, Goodpasture HSCA 2, Goodpasture ARRB
  • Why did she lie repeatedly to Eddie and Danny?
  • Neither Goodpasture nor Phillips are in the Warren Report
  • In Mexico City, Phillips was Head of Cuban Operations
  • The production and notes for LILYRIC, the Soviet Embassy camera
  • The Mystery Man photo printed in the WC, Commission Exhibit 237
  • The Mystery Man was KGB employee Yuriy Moskelev
  • The cable regarding Oswald did not get to Langley for seven days
  • CIA did not fully declassify Oswald, the CIA, and Mexico City until 2007
  • Dan Hardway, 50 Reasons for 50 Years... Episode #44
  • First come first serve to buy an autographed copy of Reclaiming Parkland (revised 2016)
  • Contact Jim at kennedysandking.com/contact-us
  • Listener letters: Fake news? In the JFK assassination you couldn't trust any news organizations
  • How accurate is the film JFK (1991)? See Reclaiming Parkland, very accurate
  • Read JFK: The Book of the Film (Stone/Sklar 2000)
  • Review the The Collected Works Of Col. L. Fletcher Prouty CD-ROM
  • Memo: Secretary of Defense Conference, Honolulu, May 6, 1963
  • How accurate is the film Executive Action (1973)?
  • Len interviewed both Mark Lane (BOR #545) and Donald Freed (BOR #651) on it
  • They both said their screenplay was tougher on CIA than the film
  • Ex-CIA John Stockwell, it's a miracle Jim Garrison got as far as he did
  • Read Let Justice Be Done (Davy 1999) and A Farewell to Justice: (Mellon 2005)
  • Watch The Jim Garrison Tapes (Barbour 1992)
  • On the Trail of the Assassins: (Garrison 1988)
            One Man's Quest to Solve the Murder of President Kennedy
  • Limited 20 CD edition of The Searchers and 37 hours of interview footage
  • Do all books about JFK tell the same story?
  • A conclusion that there was a conspiracy, that's only natural
  • Watch 50 Reasons for 50 years..., Jim's Best 10 Books on the JFK Assassination
  • Len recommends books, movies, articles, videos, and BOR interviews
  • No, we don't know exactly what Dorothy Kilgallen had (BOR #820)
  • It is not the function of private citizens to spend their lives investigating
            who killed John Kennedy, bless the ones who do
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    Show #822
    Original airdate: February 16, 2001
    Guests: Dan Hardway
    Topics: The Lopez-Hardway Report


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  • Dan, an attorney, worked with Edwin Lopez and Robert Blakey in the HSCA
  • The HSCA Lopez-Hardway Report, Oswald, the CIA, and Mexico City
  • When Dan was getting too close to certain issues, CIA brought in George Joannides
  • Joannides covered-up David Phillips' propaganda activities linking Oswald to Castro
  • Phillips was not rogue, possibly he was used from within the Agency
  • Dan did this work 40 years ago, he has not had the time to keep up with research
  • There was Intelligence involvement in setting up the cover-up in advance
  • Was CIA involved in the assassination? We tried not to speculate
  • Is CIA suspect? Yes. Evidence? Clearly enough to merit further investigation
  • The built-in function of plausible deniability, propaganda, black operations
  • Oswald could not have been set up better, very sophisticated, detail and coordination
  • OurHiddenHistory's Oswald, the CIA, and Mexico City audiobook
  • There is evidence Oswald went to Mexico City. Did he go? I don't know
  • Evidence, indications, testimony, records, questionable
  • A distinct possibility he could have been impersonated in Mexico City
  • The kind of details we get hung up in, in an Intelligence operation, we can expect
  • Pretty sure a photo was obtained and a tape recording survived, they ended up in Dallas
  • FBI saw a photo and heard a tape, neither one of them were of Oswald
  • Gary Cornwell wasn't very supportive of Dan and Eddie
  • Most HSCA staffers were at least agnostic on the issue of conspiracy
  • Eddie and Dan got a lot of insulation from Bob (Blakey)
  • Sprague and Tanenbaum, went in thinking they could act like prosecuting attorneys
  • A Congressional Investigation could not indict, did not have prosecutor authority
  • When it blew up, they left, a huge mess, doubt whether it would finish
  • What Blakey could do was produce a report and suggest legislation
  • Dan started in the dark, they found the basis of what the ARRB found and disclosed
  • Cover-up does not prove conspiracy, other possible motivations to cover-up
  • CIA admitted participating in a benign cover-up, Thank You Phil Shenon (10/2015)
  • Dan's blog, realhillbillyviews.blogspot.com
  • CIA was declassifying the Lopez-Hardway report at three days per four paragraphs
  • Someone, maybe CIA, made marginalia notes in the declassified draft
  • People plotting to kill Castro, could have been in on killing Kennedy
  • It takes painstaking work to pull out the threads and make the connections
  • It's now a historical rather then a forensic investigation
  • Select Committees are limited in time, purpose, and funding
  • Speculation, animosity about the King investigation, Southern congressman
  • Mickey Goldsmith, sharp, supportive, backed up Dan and Eddie with CIA
  • Our motto was "Reality is Irrelevant"
  • The Prosecutor's Tale (July 14, 2016)

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  • 50 Reasons for 50 Years... Episode #44
  • Information They Were Seeking
  • Presenter - Dan Hardway
  • Dan Hardway served as an investigator for the HSCA late 1970s
  • Along with colleague Ed Lopez, Hardway was assigned to the CIA file
  • The information they developed was immediately classified
  • In this series exclusive, Hardway discusses his experiences





    Show #821
    Original airdate: February 9, 2017
    Guests: Greg Poulgrain & Jim DiEugenio / Jim DiEugenio
    Topics: JFK Foreign Policy / Listener Letters


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  • Greg took literary studies at the University of Queensland
  • He took a class on Southeast Asia and Indonesia
  • He acquired a History PhD in the early 90's
  • The Netherlands had colonized Indonesia for 350 years
  • Only a few Dutch knew the wealth of West Irian (West New Guinea)
  • The richest oil in the world, it has no sulphur in it
  • The biggest gold deposit in the world, called Copper Mountain
  • Freeport Sulphur, now Freeport-McMoRan Inc.
  • Presidents Kennedy and Sukarno (Indonesia) were not aware of the gold
  • Joseph Luns, Dutch foreign minister (1952–71), was aware
  • 1962, Kennedy advised his Dutch NATO ally to leave West Irian
  • Avoid Soviet clash, get Indonesia on side in the Cold War
  • Sukarno gave the PKI (Partai Komunis Indonesia) the oil rich area
  • Japanese Admiral Maeda and the PKI oil company
  • Achmed Sukarno said the Papuans can be their own masters
  • Since Mohamed Suharto, they have been dominated and decimated
  • Kennedy planned to visit Jakarta in 1964
  • He wanted to settle Konfrontasi or Indonesian-Malaysian Confrontation
  • The British were worried about Chinese influence in decolonization
  • They wanted to link their former colonies together
  • Crown Colony of Sarawak, the CCO (Communist Clandestine Organisation)
  • This got the attention of CIA and MI-6, wanted to give CCO weapons
  • William Andreas Brown, later U.S. Ambassador to Israel
  • Roy Henry, British Intelligence started the Brunei rebellion
  • The British forced the CCO from Sarawak to Indonesia
  • Indonesian Foreign Minister Subandrio, not Sukarno, started Konfrontasi
  • The Indonesian Army could fling the Cabinet around like a doll
  • Foreign Minister Subandrio was also Chief of Intelligence (BPI)
  • The Dulles group in CIA, MI-6, and Subandrio started Konfrontasi
  • U.S. Ambassador Howard Jones (1958-65), Indonesia: The Possible Dream (1971)
  • Moscow wanted the PKI to stand for election, Beijing did not
  • In 1963, former CIA Chief Dulles was out, but, he was still in
  • Lyndon Johnson reversed Kennedy policy, LBJ did not like Sukarno
  • Greg was in Jarkata for the fall of Suharto (06/21/1998)
  • Ten Days In Jakarta: (06/24/1998)
            Events Surrounding the Resignation of President Suharto
            (First published in Dutch in De Groene Amsterdammer)
  • Greg spoke with Kolonel Abdul Latief, imprisoned from 1965-99
  • Latief knew Suharto and Suharto knew Sjam Kamaruzaman from 1945
  • Sjam Kamaruzaman (1924-1986) killed the generals in the 1965 coup
  • Suharto knew and was behind those of the 30 September Movement
  • Greg thinks Sjam was not executed, perhaps he died in San Francisco
  • History tells that on October 1, 1965,
            Colonels loyal to Sukarno executed six Generals about to kill Sukarno
  • Latief said, the plan was that no one would be killed
  • Sjam led the kidnapping and murder of the Generals
  • Chairman Mao Tse-tung knew of the plan a month earlier
  • Jess Melvin, her PhD thesis, Mechanics of mass murder (2014)
  • Suharto had taken steps to strike the PKI before this event occurred
  • Greg knew Indonesian General Abdul Nasution
  • Sjam and Suharto seen in Bandung with CIA trained General Suwarto
  • Guy Pauker, friends with Suwarto and Allen Dulles
  • Peasants joined PKI to get a little bit of land, not political
  • 1965-66, over 1,000,000 were killed, rivers choked with bodies
  • Moscow and Beijing blamed each other for what happened to the PKI
  • The Supersemar, mysterious letter from Sukarno to Suharto to take control
  • Greg was the last person to enter Jarkarta at Soekarno-Hatta airport on 05/14/1998
  • Buildings were burning, don't burn the buildings marked with an X
  • Burning supermarkets with people inside, 60,000 students occupied Parliament
  • Indonesian James Riady's LippoBank contributed millions to Clinton's re-election
  • Secretary of State Madeleine Albright convinced Suharto it was time to go
  • Pretext for Mass Murder: (Roosa 2006)
            The September 30th Movement and Suharto's Coup d'État in Indonesia
  • Suharto's prior involvement in the strike against the Generals needs to come out
  • Greg could and may write a book on the 1965 coup
  • The Genesis of Konfrontasi: (Poulgrain 2014)
            Malaysia, Brunei, and Indonesia, 1945-1965
  • The Incubus of Intervention: (Poulgrain 2015)
            Conflicting Indonesia Strategies of John F. Kennedy and Allen Dulles
  • Previous Greg Poulgrain appearance: BOR Show #792

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  • 2017 milestone event, May 21, JFK's 100th birthday
  • 2017 milestone event, October 26, ARRB final releases
  • An open and shut, Oswald did it case? Why 4,000,000 pages?
  • Jim Lesar, Bill Kelly, John Newman, East coast researchers
  • 2019 #Calexit Independence Referendum
  • The Left Coast, Washington, Oregon, and California, civil war?
  • kennedysandking.com
  • Fidel Castro's First Speech on the JFK Assassination, 11/23/1963
  • His analysis makes the WC Report look like a kindergarten class
  • A Kennedy/State Department view of Cuba, and a Pentagon/CIA view
  • Oswald, the CIA, and Mexico City (aka The Lopez Report) Audiobook
  • Listener letters, acknowledgement of Jim as a researcher, writer, and educator
  • +P ammo was not available in the 1960s
  • (NOTE: This 22-second gap intentionally left blank)
  • On the Trail of the Assassins: (Garrison 1988)
            One Man's Quest to Solve the Murder of President Kennedy
  • Garrison was a good lawyer, also a very good writer
  • Only one bullet found in Tippit sent to the FBI lab
  • The bullet did not match Oswald's revolver
  • The WC inquired of the other three, found after four months
  • FBI was unable to conclude any were fired from the Oswald revolver
  • Cartridges found at the scene had automatic ejector marks
  • WC testimony of DPD patrolman J. M. Poe, 04/091964
  • Sandra Serrano, Officer Habighorst and Clay Shaw's Clay Bertrand alias
  • Jim spoke with Habighorst's widow, he was a proficient officer
  • It was objected that Shaw did not have an attorney at the booking
  • Dorothy Kilgallen (BOR #820, #813), circumstances warrant a reinvestigation
  • A Coroner Inquest may call witnesses, but, not under a Medical Examiner
  • William Bruce Pitzer, Jim is agnostic, best work by Allan Eaglesham
  • Witnesses Jerrol Custer and Dennis David, a measure of credibility
  • How to square Oswald leaving Dealey Plaza, WC vs. Roger Craig
  • One way to explain it is that there were two Oswalds
  • Another way to explain is that one of the stories is wrong
  • Anna Marie Kuhns-Walko found a picture of Oswald on the embankment
  • Oswald may never have been on that bus or in the cab either
  • Sylvia Meagher makes a good case, Accessories After The Fact: (1967)
            The Warren Commission, the Authorities & the Report on the JFK Assassination
  • Might Trump put the kibosh on the 2017 ARRB releases?
  • Bill Hicks on Presidential orientation
  • Alex Jones scholarship and approach to controversial subjects
  • Alex Jones on the Kennedy Murder: A Painful Case, Seamus Coogan
  • We have the worst mainstream media in the world
  • Jones is Pavlovian against liberals, he does talk about things others won't
  • Good early work, a vacuum, O'Reilly or Jones
  • In Ten Days In Jakarta:, Greg Poulgrain mentions Kolonel Abdul Latief
  • Information Latief revealed to Greg, never heard anywhere else
  • Complete reversal of JFK's foreign policy, Sukarno's democracy, Suharto's dictatorship
  • The bloodiest coup in CIA history, an ethnic massacre
  • Latief said Suharto was fully aware of what the Colonels were going to do
  • Televised film of the General's bodies turned people against the PKI
  • It has taken 50 years to understand Suharto's playing the Colonels
  • CIA knew how much underreported mineral wealth there was in that area
  • Jim's review of The Incubus of Intervention:(Poulgrain 2015)
            Conflicting Indonesia Strategies of John F. Kennedy and Allen Dulles
  • The 1965 Indonesia coup is CIA's crown jewel
  • Jim: contact@kennedysandking.com, Greg: pandai@bigpond.com



    Show #820
    Original airdate: February 2, 2017
    Guests: Doug Valentine / Jim DiEugenio
    Topics: Book of the Year / Dorothy Kilgallen


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  • Doug is back to further discuss his new book
  • The CIA As Organized Crime: (November 30, 2016)
            How Illegal Operations Corrupt America and the World
  • Len considers this a very important book along with,
  • The Secret Team: (Prouty 1973)
            The CIA and Its Allies in Control of the United States and the World
  • The Devil's Chessboard: (Talbot 2015)
            Allen Dulles, the CIA, and the Rise of America's Secret Government
  • The Phoenix Program (Valentine 1990)
            America's Use of Terror in Vietnam
  • It starts in World War II
  • Fletcher Prouty identified Gen. Ed Lansdale in Dealey Plaza
            in a Three Tramps photo
  • Our Achilles heel, why we think about things the way we do
  • Ed Lansdale represents a player behind the scenes
  • Lansdale was in the OSS and Intelligence in WW II
  • He was in Philippines starting around 1948
  • He is credited with saving the Philippines from communism
  • He engaged in illegal and immoral activities
  • He developed counter-insurgency warfare and tactics
  • He assassinated Filipinos, to blame it on the Communists
  • Black propaganda, at the heart of our problems today
  • He did the same things in South Vietnam
  • He selected Catholic Diem and had his election rigged
  • In Saigon, Diem got 133% of the vote
  • Lansdale had the experience and know-how and amorality
            to stage a coup in the U.S. and overthrow John Kennedy
  • His team in Vietnam, 1954-66, spread around the world
  • His doctrine becomes the thinking of CIA and military officers
  • His people show up later on, Charles Bohanan, Joe Baker,
  • Lucien Conein, Bernard Yoh, William Rosson
  • The Bay of Pigs fiasco brought Kennedy into conflict with CIA
  • The Kennedy's thought Lansdale was compatible with them
  • The counter-insurgency guru in charge of Operation Mongoose
  • To wage an insurgency in Cuba and overthrow Castro
  • He wanted to use chemical and biological warfare
  • CIA officers William Harvey and Ted Shackley
  • Working with mobsters like Santo Trafficante
  • These things he developed are still used today
  • The Ugly American (Burdick/Lederer 1958), is about him
  • Mongoose and Diem were terrible failures
  • Lansdale had been discredited by November 1963
  • Kennedy,, "And we call ourselves the human race"
  • Anything you could do to stop communism was ok
  • Bomb them back to the Stone Age
  • A CIA and military that at its heart is psychopathological
  • People who would have no problem killing John Kennedy
  • They had done before, removal of heads of state
  • Lansdale had been in advertising, he made Levis popular
  • A command of language and symbolism, essential to CIA
  • The selling of the psychopathic programs
  • Cloaking them as Civic Action
  • In Vietnam, Filipino assassins, Operations Brotherhood
  • The American public believed CIA were boy scouts
  • Essence of CIA power is in it's ability to rewrite history
  • Government imperial ambitions in the hands of criminal genius
  • At the center is drug trafficking
  • In WW II Fletcher was flying opium to the OSS in Burma
  • This methodology was kept and transferred to Southeast Asia
  • Nazis and collaborators, Reinhard Gehlen, Stepan Bandera
  • CIA set one of them up in an airline in Saigon and Laos
  • Aigle Azur, Blue Eagle Airlines, running drugs for CIA
  • They supplied people like Santo Trafficante through Cuba
  • Proprietary companies run by deniable assets
  • To do illegal things to subvert, or to support puppets
  • CIA is the organized crime branch of the U.S. government
  • Call in Col. Magsaysay, the Communists are coming!
  • A charade of defending against Communists attacks
  • CIA Ivy League anthropologists, sociologists, psychologists
  • To control political and social movements around the world
  • Johnson reversed Kennedy policies, escalation of the war
  • Viet Cong and the NLF were more powerful in rural villages
  • American military might could not win
  • Apply psychological warfare against the villagers
  • In 1965, Lansdale and a special team return to Vietnam
  • The same gang of Filipino cutthroats and CIA officers
  • Coordinator with the Revolutionary Development Support program
  • To use explicit and implicite terrorism
  • One of the members of Lansdale's team is Daniel Ellsberg
  • Frank Scotton pioneered Armed Propaganda Teams
  • 40 men, four or five of whom assassinated people
  • Ellsberg, who Doug interviewed, was part of this
  • He defended Lansdale, his mentor in counter-insurgency
  • Is it possible for him to not see these guys as psychopaths?
  • Ellsberg achieved infamy, a swordsman, romancing women
  • Ellsberg reported on Vietnamese he socialized with
  • An affair with Germaine, who was engaged to a Corsican
  • Michel Seguin, a CIA associated drug trafficker
  • Scotton and Conein prevented Seguin from killing Ellsberg
  • The CIA drug network was on the verge of collapsing
  • To Doug, Ellsberg denied CIA involvement in drug trafficking
  • The Pentagon Papers don't represent CIA Vietnam operations
  • Ellsberg knew the truth, his biography skips over it
  • We can't assume people we look to are honest with us
  • Convoluted historians assassinate JFK over and over
  • We have to question what we think, our own beliefs
  • This idea that the United States is a force for good
  • It's all bullshit, we're run by a group of psychopaths
  • The media understands, America is run by a cult of death
  • Until that basic assumption is confronted and exposed,
            it's all just gonna go rolling along the same way
  • Ellsberg, Lansdale, Pentagon Papers, JFK assassination
  • Just one tiny example, these things go on every day
  • Pearl Harbor, what do you mean they knew they were comin'?
  • Len recommends that you pick up this new book, also,
  • The Phoenix Program: (2000)
            America's Use of Terror in Vietnam
  • TDY (2000)
  • The Strength of the Wolf (2006)
            The Secret History of America's War on Drugs
  • The Strength of the Pack: (2009)
            The Personalities, Politics and Espionage
            Intrigues that Shaped the DEA
  • douglasvalentine.com
  • Previous Doug Valentine appearance: BOR Show #819
  • Also,
  • Col. Fletcher Prouty discusses Ed Lansdale in Dealey Plaza
  • The Ballad of Ed Lansdale, by Len Osanic (2002)
  • And,
  • The CIA and Hollywood episode 8 The Quiet American
  • Ed Lansdale and the Folksongs of Americans in the Vietnam War
  • Air University Catalog of Lansdale s Books and Papers

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  • Jim's kennedysandking.com
  • Sign up to receive Kennedys and King's monthly newsletter
  • The site's Unique Visitors are up 25-30%
  • From The Archives Special: Martin Luther King
  • Articles from Probe by Lisa Pease, Dick Russell, and James Douglass
  • The Magic Scalp, by Milicent Cranor
  • Jim's review of Bobby Kennedy: The Making of a Liberal Icon (Tye 2016)
  • A poor book, trying to create a spin that is not really there
  • The book is endorsed by none other than Henry Kissinger
  • Jim's review of The Reporter Who Knew Too Much: (Shaw 2016) (BOR #813)
  • Dorothy Kilgallen, one of the few MSM to take issue the WC
  • She worked with Mark Lane and Fort Worth reporter Thayer Waldo
  • No one in the MSM came close to her investigation and reporting
  • Kilgallen: a Biography of Dorothy Kilgallen (Lee Israel 1979)
  • Who Killed Dorothy Kilgallen? (Sara Jordan 2007)
  • Good Night, Dorothy Kilgallen (Paul Alexander 2008) (Unpublished)
  • She was found in the wrong bed, wearing earrings and the wrong clothes
  • With a book she had already finished, and her eyeglasses were not in the room
  • Everything about the scene was abnormal, no NYPD investigation
  • Traces of Seconal, Nembutal and Tuilan, a fatal effect in combination
  • A romantic relationship with Ron Pataky, Columbus Citizen-Journal reporter
  • The Assassination Tapes: (O'Toole 1975)
            An electric probe into the Murder of John F. Kennedy and the Dallas coverup
  • While with CIA, George O'Toole had used a voice stress analyzer (PSE)
  • Pataky's recorded denial of being in New York City that night, rated high stress
  • From The Archives Feature: The Creation of the Warren Commission (Gibson)
  • Letters: Where are the hi-res scans of the Z-film?
  • Robert Groden in 50 Reasons For 50 Years - Episode 25
  • Len is not yet convinced of Z-film alteration, but, it would not surprise him
  • Jim has seen the scans, this does not approach full-scale alteration
  • You can see in the scan a black marking, on a third generation film
  • They are getting the runaround on acquiring the first generation transparencies
  • Twenty-Six Seconds: (Alexandra Zapruder 2016)
           A Personal History of the Zapruder Film
  • Jeff Carter (50 Reasons For 50 Years) (BOR #750) is reviewing that book
  • The Zapruder Film Mystery (Doug Horne/Shane O'Sullivan)
  • *** Breaking news on a Manhattan D.A. Office look into Kilgallen's death
  • Previous Jim DiEugenio appearance: BOR Show #815



    Show #819
    Original airdate: January 26, 2017
    Guests: Doug Valentine
    Topics: CIA As Organized Crime


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  • Doug's first appearance was 17 years ago, 12/11/2000 - BOR #26
  • The CIA As Organized Crime: (November 30th, 2016)
            How Illegal Operations Corrupt America and the World
  • Doug was a blue collar kid, he started college in 1967
  • He became a tree surgeon, wanting to be a writer
  • Age 30, his father told him about being a POW in WWII
  • That story of a POW mutiny became The Hotel Tacloban (1984)
  • Wanting to write of Vietnam, Doug heard of the Phoenix Program
  • In 1983, Doug contacted William Colby (OSS/CIA/Phoenix/DCI)
  • Colby read The Hotel Tacloban, liked it, and granted Doug interviews
  • He was introduced to senior CIA who ran Phoenix and other programs
  • They liked him and they volunteered CIA's deepest darkest secrets
  • Two resulting books, TDY (2000) and The Phoenix Program (2000)
  • Phoenix coordinated 25 Intelligence and paramilitary programs
  • Two main programs, Foreign Intelligence, Covert Operations
  • Doug acquired more knowledge than the compartmented CIA personnel
  • Ruthless killers, the world's best blackmailers, drug smugglers
  • Evan Parker, OSS, 1967 director of Phoenix, provided the roster
  • A wink and a nod mindset carried though Doug's interviews
  • Lou Conein, OSS/CIA, the 1963 assassination of President Diem
  • John Muldoon, CIA, the Provincial Interrogation Center Program
  • Conein tells Doug which bar to find Muldoon in
  • "You Muldoon?", "Yeah", "Well Conein says you're the worst..."
  • Colby had a tiny Jesuit's office in a richly furnished law firm
  • He was down to earth, direct, a pale cold fish
  • The 2011 Carl Colby documentary The Man Nobody Knew:
  • Congress authorizes CIA to be the organized crime branch
  • Murder, blackmail, extort, deal drugs, just don't tell us
  • We want to move in to (any country), do it, we'll have your back
  • CIA was originally intended only to coordinate intelligence
  • A covert operations clause, subverting foreign nations
  • Limit CIA Role To Intelligence, Harry Truman, 12/22/1963
  • U.S. expansion westward, boundaries with Canada and Mexico
  • Building its industrial base, isolationist
  • A lot of Americans owned businesses around the world
  • More political influence, The Foreign Policy Association (1918)
  • FDR created the OSS through their auspices, then CIA
  • Allen Dulles was FPA, the bureaucratic, government aspect
  • Phoenix was secret from 1967 to 1969
  • Nelson Brickham, CIA, organized pacification of South Vietnam
  • It was targeted at the civilians who managed the insurgency
  • There were thousands of massacres, hunting civilians on it's hit list
  • Officially 25,000 killed, actually hundreds of thousands were killed
  • Bruce Lawlor, CIA, Danang 1971, an Interrogation Center
  • A woman suspect raped and murdered, he was shocked, a war crime
  • Lawlor complained, was sent home and cashiered out of CIA
  • Colby brought him back in to the family, a brigadier general
  • He became the first Homeland Security Chief of Staff
  • Phoenix Program participants rose to positions of power
  • They run repressive police state systems
  • Ultimately to destroy any kind of Left in the U.S.
  • Psychological warfare to terrify the 20,000,000 population
  • Sen. Bob Kerrey, Navy SEAL, Thanh Phong village, February 1969
  • They slit the throats of a grandma, grandpa, and granddaughter
  • Gathered together in a cluster, the villagers were killed in cold blood
  • Bob Kerrey was given a Medal of Honor
  • CIA has a license to kill, that's it's job
  • In Thailand's Golden Triangle, CIA's Hill Tribe Research Center
  • Chicago 1973, Customs seized opium from Thailand
  • Thai national, Puttaporn Khramkhraun, CIA, sponsored by USAID
  • Colby got Justice to drop the case because of National Security
  • No Good Men Among the Living: (Gopal 2014)
            America, the Taliban, and the War through Afghan Eyes
  • Phoenix Intelligence Operations and Coordination Centers (IOCC)
  • Migrated to El Salvador, Nicaragua, and to the United States
  • Homeland Security Fusion Centers, domestic IOCCs
  • The Changing Face of War: Into the Fourth Generation (1989)
  • Society of the Spectacle (Debord 1967)
  • Manipulation of perceptions creates reality, creates beliefs
  • CIA Speaks, The Phoenix Files
  • www.douglasvalentine.com
  • Previous appearance: BOR Show #642
  • also...
  • Will the Real Daniel Ellsberg Please Stand Up! (2003)
  • The Phoenix Program and Contemporary Counterinsurgency (RAND 2009)

    Play Doug Valentine w/John Muldoon   (2:10:21)   MP3 download



  • Author Douglas Valentine interviews John Muldoon (CIA)
  • Muldoon built Province Interrogation Centers (1965-1966)
            *** (Muldoon Tape 1 Side 1) ***
  • Tucker adopted a Korean girl, she became a doctor
  • Tucker Gouggelman was a Marine in WWII
  • Gougelmann (CIA) and Barlow (MI Six) were setting up
            Province Intelligence Coordination Committees (PICC)
  • As far as battalions, regiments, they came in '65
  • In Korea John worked interrogation in Seoul
  • John arrived in Korea in 1961
  • Kim Jong-pil, founder of the Korean CIA
  • Captured North Korean Intelligence agents
  • Anyone tougher than Special Forces? Yes, SEALs
  • Special Operations Group (SOG)
  • Gougelmann ran everything in Danang
  • John arrived in Vietnam in November 1964
  • He served in the National Interrogation Center (NIC)
  • The South Vietnamese had their own wants
  • Prisoners were both Northerners and Southerners
  • Vietnamese Military Security Service
  • The NIC was located at the Naval compound in Saigon
  • Four or five American interrogation advisors
  • He did what he wanted, went where he wanted
  • John had his wife and two children with him
  • Families were evacuated in February 1965
            (Camp Holloway helicopter facility attacked 02/07/65)
  • Paul Hodges (CIA Chief of Foreign Intelligence)
  • Choice of the U.S., or Thailand, Hong Kong,
  • Taiwan, Philippines, Japan, Okinawa
  • NIC American staff dependents in Saigon, maybe 15
  • John (aka PICadoon) moved to the PIC program as it started
  • Jack `Red’ Stent (CIA), new Chief of Foreign Intelligence
  • John’s boss at NIC had been Ian “Sammy” Sammers (CIA)
  • PIC staff came from NIC
  • After the bombing things started with the PICs
            (03/30/65, Viet Cong car-bomb outside U.S. Embassy)
  • John shared an office with Gougelmann and Barlow
  • Tucker was loud, foul-mouthed, brilliant
  • Barlow told stories about Africa, Malaysia
  • Australian Ian Teague
            (Australian Army Training Team, Vietnam (AATTV))
            (posted to a Covert Action Branch of CIA)
  • Jack, suit and tie, Tucker, shorts and no tie
  • Regional Directors prioritized PIC locations
  • A lot of politics, Province chiefs, special cities
  • Guard posts had been built outside the compound!
            *** (John Muldoon Tape 1 Side 2) ***
  • John describes the layout of a PIC
  • He narrates as he draws a diagram for Doug
  • PICs had 12 or 14 Vietnamese guards
  • PICs were located in provincial capitals
  • John's responsibilities, land, contractor, staff, training
  • Tucker (Gougelmann CIA) stayed in Saigon
  • PICs cost around $30,000 to build
  • Smaller versions, John called them "Nit-PICs"
  • 30 or 40 prisoners, kept isolated from each other
  • John built and staffed PICs, got them working, built another
  • He flew on Air America, the pilots were a good group of guys
  • John knew Ray Valentine (CIA), visited Ray's province
  • John visited all but two small provinces near Cambodia
  • CT (Counter-Terror) teams, armed to the teeth small groups
  • Not your average Joe, they got criminals and everything else
  • A lot of people doing a lot of things they weren't supposed to
  • Provincial Reconnaissance Unit (PRU) Program
  • John suggests Harry Monk (CIA) should speak for himself
  • Six or seven interrogators, a chief, a deputy
  • Analysts, clerical, guards, kitchen, medical staff
  • During the Tet Offensive, John was in Thailand
  • Marine Bob Slater (contract CIA) ran the PIC Program 67-69
  • John met Lucien Conein (CIA) in Vietnam
  • John worked 14 years in the Agency
  • John discusses the three CIA he would not work with
  • Counter Intelligence/Counter Espionage (CICE)
  • John discusses CIA recruits in Vietnam as paramilitary
            *** (John Muldoon Tape 2 Side 1) ***
  • John knew Jim Ward (CIA)
  • Ralph Johnson (CIA) and Evan Parker (CIA)
  • For the military Vietnam was the place to be
  • PICs were well lit, spotlights at night
  • Types of questions interrogators should ask
  • Making sure the medical staff knew what it was about
  • Betting on olive races with Lou Conein
  • People had different ideas about the value of the PICs
  • Military Intelligence would interrogate their prisoners first
  • Sir Robert Thompson, British Advisory Mission 61-65
  • John knew Jack Barlow in Thailand
  • Thompson was the experts expert
  • The concept was bought by CIA, the Embassy, the military
  • CIA province guys had to sell it to the military
  • Palace Dog/Project 404 (covert U.S.A.F. mission in Laos)
  • Doug tells John the PICs and PRUs became part of Phoenix
  • John never saw much of the intelligence from the PICs he built
  • John liked Nelson Brickham (CIA)
            (In charge of Foreign Intelligence Field Operations 65-66)
  • Tucker Gougelmann was a legend in his own time
  • Legions would follow him
  • Tucker tried to get his family out after the fall of S. Vietnam
  • In 1977 the Vietnamese finally returned his body
  • Tucker said he would kill himself before being interrogated
            (Tucker Gougelmann died in Vietnamese hands in 1976)
  • Orville Freeman, U.S. Secretary of Agriculture, 61-69
  • Freeman was the best man at one of Tucker's weddings
  • John and Doug discuss book publishers
  • ABCs of American Interrogation Methods (Valentine)
  • More Valentine/CIA/Phoenix Program interviews



    Show #818
    Original airdate: January 19, 2017
    Guests: Dave Ratcliffe / Dr. William Pepper
    Topics: Col. L. Fletcher Prouty / Martin Luther King Jr


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  • Next Tuesday is Col. L. Fletcher Prouty's 100th birthday
  • Col. L. Fletcher Prouty (January 24, 1917 – June 5, 2001)
  • Dave had the good fortune to meet and work with researcher John Judge
  • John introduced Dave to Fletcher in 1989, 19 articles in Freedom Magazine
  • In March, 1989, Dave interviewed Fletcher in his Virginia home
  • Over 11 hours of audio tape on The Secret Team (Prouty 1973)
  • First-hand experience, furthering the reach of National Security managers
  • Dave was motivated by curiosity, the opportunity to talk to with Fletcher
  • Len, just an interested citizen, posed a series of questions to Fletcher
  • Len was pleasantly surprised to get Fletcher's reply, "Sure, write to me"
  • When Fletcher spoke, he knew, knew what he had done
  • In 1979, Dave met and studied with Jazz pianist Mary Lou Williams
  • Understanding Special Operations, (Ratcliffe 1999)
            And Their Impact on The Vietnam War Era
            1989 Interview with L. Fletcher Prouty Colonel USAF (Retired)
  • Fletcher did some additions and slight editing
  • CIA, capitalism's invisible army, The United States LLC
  • 750 copies, appendices, indexed, a form of their conversation
  • NSC 5412 clandestine ops, Focal Point Officer, in conjunction with CIA
  • Chief of Team B, in charge of clandestine operations, for the Air Force
  • For clandestine work, you have to have the money available all the time
  • Ask him the question, and then just listen, don't interrupt
  • James Douglass, JFK and the Unspeakable: (2010), feels USO is essential
  • Fletcher had to have been very bright to do the work he'd done
  • He would give Len as much as Len could absorb
  • Fletcher considered Len's knowledge and interest as one in ten million
  • The Manichean Devil, the ends justify the means, you have to have an enemy
  • Planning and overt diplomacy vs. response to intelligence inputs, without plans
  • In modern war, push a few buttons, rockets would fly, nuclear weapons would fall
  • CIA took the special forces, civic action/counterinsurgency side of the business
  • Reagan shook Gorbachev's hand, the West would not push any further East
  • Since then, push, push, push, insane people want that final war, take out Russia
  • Really tenuous now, Team Swamp, ramp up 'cause it's good for business
  • Fletcher had on-the-ground savvy, a military career officer in upper echelons
  • Understand how does our world actually work, not doomed to repeat history
  • Dave, Jim Douglass, and Martin Luther King, Confronting the Unspeakable
  • Hope in Confronting the Unspeakable, by Jim Douglass, 20 November 2009
  • Topics on the National Security State of America
  • History Will Not Absolve Us: (Schotz 1996)
  • Dr. Martin Luther King’s 1967 Anti-War Speech And Today (Schotz 2016)
  • The Government that Honors ... King ... Killed Him, by Edward Curtin
  • Which is Curtin's review of The Plot to Kill King: (Pepper 2016)
  • A Day of Service is a Disservice to the Truth of MLK's Life ..., by Edward Curtin
  • The MLK 10-Point Program, by Joseph E. Green
  • Transcript of the Martin Luther King, Jr. Assassination Conspiracy Trial
            November 15 to December 8, 1999, Memphis, Tennessee
  • The CIA as Organized Crime: (Valentine 2017 )
  • Breaking Through Power: It's Easier Than We Think by Ralph Nader (2016)
  • Ralph Nader podcast with Maria Gilardin of tucradio.org Part one, Part two
  • There is the dark side, but, there is also the light
  • We were fortunate to have had Fletcher Prouty
  • ratical.org, prouty.org, proutypedia.com

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  • Monday was Martin Luther King Jr. Day in the United States
  • Martin Luther King Jr. (January 15, 1929 – April 4, 1968)
  • King's birthday is abused in a celebratory fashion
  • It focuses on his civil rights work, not on his asset inequality work
  • Trump puts into power the wealthiest Cabinet in U.S. history
  • Martin was concerned about ending all war, a strategy of non-violence
  • American war and military bases around the world would have dismayed him
  • And that of course is why they killed him
  • He was to bring half a million or more people to encamp in Washington D.C.
  • Seeking a reallocation of American assets back into social programs
  • The military and government believed, revolution on the streets of America
  • In this country we assassinate critical leaders as a last resort
  • A problem of human history, we kill them and then celebrate them
  • William was the attorney for the King family in the action in 1999
  • Coretta Scott King, et al Vs. Loyd Jowers et al, Shelby County, Tennessee
  • It was established the he was officially killed, not by a lone gunman
  • The Plot to Kill King: (Pepper 2016)
            The Truth Behind the Assassination of Martin Luther King Jr.
  • The Dixie Mafia choreographed by Clyde Tolson at J. Edgar Hoover's request
  • He espoused the principle of love, love is the highest human value
  • He developed this extraordinary compassion for all of humanity
  • His commitment to non-violence put him at odds with others
  • His dream was the alleviation of suffering for all of humanity
  • Martin read William's The Children of Vietnam in Ramparts (Jan. 1967)
  • LBJ said, I can't get out of Vietnam, my friends are making too much money
  • The poor of the world will continue to suffer, in pursuit of this greed
  • Ramparts was an essential, serious, progressive voice in the sixties
  • The MSM is controlled, Black Op Radio and a few others are the exception
  • William feels helpless in the juggernaut of consolidated control of expression
  • Their greed, arrogance, and distain, will ultimately bring them down
  • President-elect Trump is not a Cold Warrior
  • King's legacy stands, we know what it is
  • The 50th anniversary of Martin King's assassination is next year



    Show #817
    Original airdate: Jan 12, 2017
    Guest: Mark de Valk / Douglas Weldon
    Topics: Dealey Plaza UK / JFK's Limousine


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  • Rebroadcast of BOR #561, from January 12, 2012
  • Mark is the editor of Dealey Plaza UK and the Dealey Plaza Echo published three times a year
  • Mark appeared live on video with Len in Hawaii on April 14, 2010
  • Mark is working on a series of one hour guerilla style documentaries based on several books;
  • JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters (Douglas, 2008)
  • Harvey and Lee: How the CIA Framed Oswald Hardcover (Armstrong, 1997)
  • Len explains why he has no desire to visit Dallas, including the existence of the Sixth Floor Ad Nauseam
  • Mark found being on the ground visiting assassination related sites to be like going into a time capsule
  • Mark found understanding the geography of Dallas gives one chills, all the important sites seem very close to each other
  • Louie Steven Witt, The Umbrella Man (Morris, 2011), Family of Secrets: (Baker, 2008)
  • Ruth Paine received divorce papers on the morning of 11/22/63, her lawyer and Witt worked in the same building
  • The Great Zapruder Film Hoax: Deceit and Deception in the Death of JFK (Fetzer and others, 2003)
  • Mark discusses a photo one page 100 in which he detects Eugene Hale Brading/Jim Braden with Robert Oswald
  • Inside the Assassination Records Review Board (Volume III) (Horne, 2009), page 845, the autopsy reports
  • Discussion of Len's 2010 Hawaii conference and a possible future Black Op Radio sponsored conference
  • The Sixth Floor has booked Dealey Plaza for seven days in a row surrounding the 50th anniversary
  • Mark urges a clandestine Black Op Radio broadcast from Dallas, perhaps from inside a van
  • Mark met author Barry Ernest in Dallas, The Girl On The Stairs (Ernest, 2010)
  • Len could broadcast from the Adolphus Hotel or the Hotel Lawrence
  • Mark encourages Len to be present in Dallas for the 50th despite the attempt to lock Dealey Plaza down
  • Contact Dealey Plaza UK

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  • Rebroadcast of BOR #451, from December 3, 2009
  • Douglas Weldon (August 10, 1953 - January 5, 2012)
  • A through and through hole in the limo windshield
  • Doug lists off a number of competent researchers and their critical works
  • So many people saw things denied by the WC, "What is the value of these witnesses?"
  • George Whittaker's story of the windshield at the Ford Rouge plant in Dearborn Michigan.
  • The old windshield had a bullet hole in it that traversed the windshield from outside to inside
  • The Whittakers were very fearful of divulging this information
  • Motorcade Sergeant in charge, Stavis Ellis also recognized that a hole was in the windshield
  • Ellis was a very honest and solid witness, he sought nothing from his knowledge
  • A hole emanating from the front means a shot came from the front, "NO LONE NUT"
  • If this is true, who was involved in altering and obfuscating this evidence?
  • The difficulties with other researchers using Evalea Glanges' information, they never interviewed her
  • Nigel Turner and Doug Weldon are the only two people to actually interview Glanges.
  • Witness testimony attesting to a windshield hole was continually made top secret
  • Deception regarding the windshield hole, testimony changed to "Pinhole" and no hole at all
  • The government went to extraordinary lengths to get the hole testimony recanted
  • Fear of assassination prevented many witnesses from coming forward
  • Doug clears up several misconceptions about the Whitehouse and Bethesda
  • William Greer, the limo driver changed his story many times
  • Martin Heinreichs, 3D image expert, stated the crack photos were not of the same windshield
  • The Secret Service ordered 12 windshields to use for "target practice" after the assassination
  • The inference is they were recreating the imaged damage without making a hole
  • Several dates seem to have been changed in and around the assassination
  • The limo seems to have a concocted history surrounding the driving of the vehicle
  • Weldon talks extensively about the researchers, good and bad
  • The lone assassin theory is "a house of cards"
  • Doug has a book in the works but he doesn't hold out hope it'll get published
  • James Cheney: First shot missed and raised dirt, second shot hit Kennedy in the front!
  • Doug believes Lyndon Johnson was involved in the assassination




    Show #816
    Original airdate: January 5, 2017
    Guests: Dr. Grover Proctor Jr.
    Topics: Oswald's Raleigh Call


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  • Dr. Proctor was in graduate school at the time of the Watergate Hearings
  • A friend suggested he read Heritage of Stone (Garrison 1970)
  • In 1980, post HSCA, Grover learned of the Raleigh Call
  • Grover was reading Conspiracy (Summers 1980), Area Code 919
  • Two articles published in Spectator Magazine, July 17 and 24, 1980
  • Mark Lane recognized that something was not right, government might lie
  • Garrison's book had a lot to say about CIA, Watergate, an overlap there
  • Anthony Summers told Grover that Robert Blakey believed the call had happened
  • Saturday night, the 23rd, Oswald is in the jail, he tried to place a call
  • Oswald called operator Louise Swinney, operator Alveeta Treon and two men listened in
  • Area Code 919, to a man named John Hurt, he gave two phone numbers, a collect call
  • Mrs. Swinney put Oswald on hall, and speaks over the phone to the two men
  • Mrs. Swinney told Oswald, "I am sorry the number doesn't answer.'
  • Mrs. Treon filled on an LD (Long Distance) slip indicating did not answer and cancelled
  • Mrs. Treon kept that slip of paper as a souvenir for the next five years
  • Alveeta mentioned the experience to a friend of hers
  • The friend told a Sheriff, who spoke to Mrs. Treon, then called the FBI
  • The FBI borrowed the phone slip, this was 1968, she never heard from the FBI again
  • The HSCA was gearing up in 1978, Bud Fensterwald's group sent them an unsigned affidavit
  • The HSCA interviewed Mrs. Treon, Mrs. Swinney, and John Hurt in Raleigh
  • John Hurt said, "No, I never received a call from Oswald"
  • John Hurt was a Counter Intelligence agent for the U.S. Army during WWII
  • Hurt's health suffered, he was an alcoholic, and considered psychopathic and a danger
  • Blakey, "real," "substantiated," "very troublesome," and "deeply disturbing"
  • The Spectator's publisher, Bernie Reeves and I contacted Victor Marchetti
  • The pre-publication censored The CIA and the Cult of Intelligence (Marchetti/Marks 1974)
  • Standard spycraft, Hurt was a cut-out, if you get in trouble, call this person
  • Oswald was being run, or believed he was being run, as an intelligence agent
  • ONI in Nags Head, North Carolina, training young men to defect to the Soviet Union
  • Hoping they would be picked up by the Russians to be used as double agents
  • Those two men in the Dallas jail prevented the call to his cut-out
  • JFK's assassination gives us a chance to look under the cover and see the rottenness
  • Conspiracies require a high level of research and fact checking
  • They have to fight back against the truth telling
  • The Raleigh Call and the Fingerprints of Intelligence (2014), article, lecture
  • Site: groverproctor.us/jfk, Email: grover@groverproctor.us